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Christopher:

 Hey listeners out there. Thank you for tuning in to Dash Radio now live. It’s Almighty Baller, and I’m here today with none other than Larry H. Russell. For the first half of the show, we’re going to be talking about green and no, that doesn’t mean we’re bringing on fellow radio host Snoop Dogg.  It just means that we’re talking about the Boston Celtics. After that, I’m gonna bring in Jordan Malley, host of the Debatabulls, but for now, honored, excited, thrilled to be with Larry H. Russell of Celtics Beat. Larry, thanks for coming on.

Larry:

Spins of history, that’s the first thing that I noticed on the show, Chris.

No Beethoven introduction!

Christopher:

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I, uh, no, no symphony number. Yeah. You know, I wanted to try something new for Dash, you know. Okay. A little more recent. It had a cool, a cool, funky beat, you know? I’m testing stuff out, very easing to the mind.

Larry:

Either way, either way. But once again, of course I haven’t said this, we’re now full 60 seconds in. I am thrilled to be here even under such circumstances of talking about the Boston Celtics season, which is a, is on the verge of ending. Yeah. And, and we were talking beforehand. About our disagreement about that fundamentally.

Christopher:

But before we get into that, I wanted to tell everyone out there, make sure that you download the Dash radio app so that you can listen to excellent shows like this live.  Make sure you go follow Larry. Alright, I’m gonna try, we talked about this beforehand. C n s underscore Larry, right? C l n s underscore Lhr.

Oh my gosh. It’s much easier for you as you continuously misspelled my last name, not putting in the two Ls. So we have just three, three letters for you. I wasn’t, that’s c l n s underscore lhr. You know, I, I wasn’t joking when I said that I was a spelling me champion that that’s a real thing. And still, I just can’t get it right recently than the last Beethoven Symphony number five being released.

That is correct. Right? I’m not, actually, not quite sure. It was a long time ago, so maybe not. Um, well, so first I wanted to go ahead and start with the Celtics, well, the reason why, and by the way, this is our inaugural show, live on Dash, but there’s a reason why I didn’t just bring on someone from the Almighty Baller Radio Network and instead I brought on Larry because we’ve got some great to talk about. Larry’s going to be broadcasting live on Almighty Baller Radio Celtics Hour. It’s going to be a sort of a blend of some of CLNS great Celtics content, and the greatest and most downloaded, the most popular Celtics podcast on the net, it’s gonna be broadcasting at 7 Eastern right?

Seven Eastern, right on Tuesday. Thrilled to do it. Thrilled that you asked me. I’ve always been such a fan of yours, Chris. The amount of effort and hard work that you’ve put in, even for me to see that from afar in the information age when you can’t see much in the information age outside of a blue screen, but to see the amount of hard work and effort you’re in. Thrilled to take part in it. Yes. Tuesday, seven o’clock, we’re gonna see how this thing runs on Dash. I am very excited for it. The Celtics hour. So that will. My show as you referenced. Yeah. Now I can slap myself on the back a little bit. Yes. Number one podcast on iTunes dedicated to the NBA’s winning US franchise and also also live.

That’s the live, that’s everything. And also the coverage, uh, CLNS has at the playoff games, which we hope we’re gonna go a little bit longer than just possibly this weekend we would like. But seal NS radio at the TD Garden on the road pre and postgame coverage. Live on the Parquet floor out in Chicago locker.

videos, press tables, et cetera, et cetera, that will all be within the one hour, which we will air on. Yes. Tuesday, 7:00 AM Eastern time. I can’t wait. Yeah, I, I can’t wait either. I’m definitely gonna be tuning in, not only because it’s, you know, my, my radio station that I’m operating, but also because, uh, There might not be a lot of Celtics coverage left, and I think we have to cherish it while it’s here.

I mean, there’s gonna be a lot to talk about before the end For Ross. There is for Ross there is, we go all 52. We go all 52, 365. If you’re not doing that now, in the information age, now in the digital age, uh, you, uh, are joining Beethoven in the dust bends of history. Third time we referenced that. Yeah.

Well, you, you’re maybe falling behind the times, sort of like Danny Age. Fell behind the trade deadline in not making a move. I, I, okay, so I, I wanna start with the Celtics, the, the, the striking thing to me, and then I actually want to get into real basketball, but I just want to complain for a second. As an NBA fan, Uh, why not?

Like Duane Deadman it, it’s why not, you know, veil McGee. Just so someone simple. Like someone better than Tyler Zeller. And, and this is my only, I’m jumping in and interrupting you already from what I’ve heard in reference, uh, reference and I did the trade deadline show with the preeminent Celtics Insider, Steve Bolt pet on Celtics beat on February 25th, whatever that, you know, that day Show that show.

But it is in the archives. And he said they were pretty.  all their attention and focus on was, you know, Jimmy Butler and Paul George. And when those, those are the phone calls that are dominating the lines, it’s tough to make a phone call or, or take other phone calls for players in which you were referencing.

PJ Tucker was actually a small forward, uh, was a name that they, what what Steve told us on the show was that, you know, and I, I, I actually was the one who alluded to. And, and, and Steve said, yeah, you can, you know, draw a conclusion if you want. But I don’t know, I think after Phoenix got raped on the Isaiah Thomas trade two years ago, they weren’t exactly in a, in a rush to make another trade with the Celtics again, even though the Celtics may have had a better package than Toronto.

But, uh, I don’t know. I mean, this, they are on the verge of getting swept out by the eight seed. You can’t really tell me, well, if they had this role player, that would’ve changed everything. Right? Yeah, no, I, I, I definitely do feel that way and honestly, , I am looking at this series and it’s possible that Danny Age didn’t just go ahead and pull the trigger on a move, because even with Jimmy Butler, there’s still, I think, some fundamental holes that are being exploited by a Bulls team that isn’t that great.

And so I wanna start out just by setting the stage and just by. Saying, my thought with this, and I wish I had a super hot take to give my thought, is right in the middle where half of it is, there’s some clear strategic advantages, uh, to having Robin Lopez when your best rebounder on the court. Most of the time is Al Horford may be Kelly Lennick.

Um, I mean, it seems like to me that the Celtics are essentially making. Robin Lopez look like Hakeem lajuan, and then they’re making Rajan Rondo look. Uh, Raja Rondo from a few years ago. Yeah. 2009, right? Yeah. And, and I think that there’s reasons for that. I mean, as great as Al Horford and Isaiah Thomas are, they’ve got real flaws in their game.

It’s like they’re, they’re not. They’re not very leveled players, if that makes sense. The Celtics are, or they benefited during the regular season from the fact that generally teams aren’t going to strategize against, against them for one specific game. Each and every team that they would play would just sort of, most of the time, and this is, this is just in general.

Run out their specific game plan every single night. Hey, this is what we do. Well see if you can beat us. Okay. Teams just don’t really have the time, well the travel, the back to backs, et cetera, et cetera, to change game plans on, you know, on a game by game basis. The way you can do in the N F NFL where it’s a week to week thing, and the way Nick can now do in the N B A playoffs, when you’re playing the same team four, anywhere between four to seven games.

Once a team like the Bulls, and I referenced this on our show with Coach Nick last week, and even Coach Nick who went into the series saying, you know, Celtics no doubt about a five. He comes outta that, you know, our conversation in 45 minutes with his mind completely changed in the series. And then he’s in my boat as well where he actually put up a video on his YouTube channel where no doubt about it, the bulls.

This thing’s, you know, wrapped up money in the bank. But Chicago being able to just visually see the Celtics weaknesses every single game and then just attack, attack, attack it at the end of the regular season, cle, there was a game that Celtics played against the Cavaliers. I think most of us who follow the N B A even, you know, outside of the Celtics and the Cavs, know what I’m talking about.

And that’s about, I think in April 5th ish matchup, uh, that aired on ESPN big game, you know, was gonna decide the number one. The calves went out right at the Celtics weakness, and they sent two guys to the offensive boards on basically every single chance that they could, they could get. That was the 75th game of the season.

I remember just thinking to myself like, why aren’t teams doing this more? The Celtics just flat out are a terrible rebounding team. They cannot rebounding. It’s, you know, players on the team. I do think a little bit is coaching. That’s a story for another day. We can go on for about 45 minutes about that.

The next night, Atlanta did the same thing. They sent a few guys to the offensive, the boards, and the cel just really can’t do anything about that at, especially at this point of the year. We’ve backed off it. I think they played Charlotte a few nights after that. Charlotte, uh, has the old philosophy of, Hey, get back on defense.

You know, n no one really attacked the glass. Make sure you set your defense. That’s the best way to do it according to the Atlanta Analytics, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But here we are in the playoffs. The bulls are, have always been a very good rebounding team throughout the course of the season.

They’ve beaten the Celtics on the boards numerous times during the year. There were a few games both out in Chicago where they out re out rebounded the Celtics by 10 plus both. , I was pretty sure convinced that the Bulls would take such a strategy and if not Chicago and other team that were able to see the Celtics weaknesses on a game by game basis.

And, uh, yeah, I think that I’m with you. This is, uh, they have some strategic advantages on that end. It’s a chess board. If you are looking at the chess board right now, the bulls have all the pieces. The Celtics just don’t have the right ones. And the ones they do have are a couple of pawns flanked off on the left side of the board and their king.

Just out of control. And, and, and Chicago has got everything and they’re sort of closing on in at this point. So I’m gonna provide the counter-argument partially so that we have a good first live radio show, and I think that we should yell at each other for at least a little bit. Do do need to play a little bit of a Tucker Carlson contrarian here as a host?

Yeah. No, uh, absolutely. I, I’m all about conflict. Um, so. Here’s, here’s the thing that I think is ultimately going to end up happening, and whether or not the Celtics actually win the series. I do think that things are going to come back to the mean. So it’s not just that the bulls are crashing the board, it’s that they’re collapsing into the paint on these Isaiah Thomas drives, which is honestly what has killed them on defense over the course of the entire year.

Because what I’ve seen so far from the Celtics is again and again, Jay Crowder. Just Whiffing Marcus Smart, just Whiffing and, and Marcus Smart. I think honestly, uh, I think his defensive advantages in this series probably outweigh his offensive inability to hit a corner three, because I think that if the Celtics, I think the reason why Brad Steven’s genius coach, right?

Mad, mad, genius, boy genius. I think the reason why he hasn’t made the adjustments that everyone in the media is suggesting that he should make is because, He, he is doing the thing that by the books, by the analytics is better. And the shot chart data is basically suggesting, I mean, his, uh, his shots, these three pointers, especially from the corner, which by the way, the Celtics were the third best corner three point shooting team in the league last year.

They’re just not going in despite everyone being wide open. I think they missed 14 wide open corner threes last game. So I, I think you just. Cross your fingers and, and hope that they start going in and hope and, and if that happens, they can absorb the disadvantages. Does, does that make sense? And that was a big question mark going into the series and I act, and I was thinking about it as well following that April 5th loss, I believe.

I’m not sure entirely on that date, but it was that final game against Cleve, one of the regular season that was really the only real marquee you. Borderline playoff game that the CEL have played in the regular season in the Brad Stevens era, being that game that was supposedly for gonna be for the number one seat.

And in that game, that’s exactly what happened is they got a bunch of really good looks and they just didn’t make shots. And I said, okay, is this a one game thing or is this a precursor of things to come? And this is very telling about a CEL team that may not respond as well yet to pressure. Now it’s actually pretty interest.

One we do know after these games that, no, they’re not responding well to pressure. They haven’t responded well to pressure in this series, and you can go back to the Atlanta series as well. I think that was a different team, et cetera, but they couldn’t make anything in that series. But one thing I think is in that will be a little interesting is now this series is gonna be shifting the Chicago to tomorrow night.

The pressure is off of Celtics and that’s not a good thing actually, . But the, it’s all now focused on the Chicago Bulls just being able to wrap up this series. Maybe with a little pressure off of Celexin Game three. Unfortunately, and this is a real optimistic look. Some of those shots will fall, but then again, of course, two, I wouldn’t count on it for.

Boston has not performed well in such situations and for any historical reference, I don’t know if any of your li of the listeners are aware of this, uh, the United Center and even going back to the old Chicago stadium back in the early 1990s. So I’ve been following the team now for 25 years. Anywhere they play in Chicago serves as a tutenburg forest for the Celtics.

They simply have not played their where? Well, for the quarter century. I follow the team. I, I’d be surprised if that would change in two playoff games. Yeah. And if you’re going to make an argument for returning to the norm, the Celtics had a better record than the Bulls, but. I mean, you now have to win four games, but the bulls only have to win two and I don’t have to win them.

Right? Man, I did this last I, I do this every time. I can’t, I can’t help it. You know? It’s an NBA show, but the Celtics have to win four games and the bulls have to win two. And that is different than just going in with a clean. Of course. Yeah. Boston’s gotta win. Boston’s gotta win four, the next five. And as I laid out on the chess board, I wouldn’t count on that.

Right. What we see on the board. Yeah. So I, I, I do feel like a lot of the things with the Celtics are gonna kick back into gear. It’s interesting how much I do think, and sometimes I think that this aspect. Of the game is trumped up because it’s sort of a remnant of, uh, the, the old media as it were, the less in depth and more into narrative and storyline and stuff.

But I think that the, I think , I think that I can actually say that the Celtics are sort of spooked a little bit. I think that the bowls are actually in their head and normally I. Chuckle at that because I, I, I just, you know, these guys are professionals, paid millions of dollars to play basketball. That doesn’t exist typically.

Um, no, I disagree with that. The human mind is far weaker than you think. Well, really, me maybe. I, I actually confess to getting spooked over absolutely worthless things in life. So I would figure the same way applies to players and I’ve actually been reading a lot of books on it. I guess this is where I can do a little.

podcast.com/try now. Shoutout audible.com read books up on neurology. But you mean, but there is something that there is to that, it’s just almost impossible to, to measure it in an intrinsic way. We’re not there yet. Give Kevin Pelton about seven or eight years, and I’m sure he’ll be able to do so and put it in about 6,000 words on an insider piece.

Uh, I, I think what you meant was audible trial.com/almighty, right? Is that what you were saying? Oh, okay. All right. Okay.  our plugs in. All right. Yeah, I, I, I, I get that and yeah, I, I, I don’t know, I, maybe it’s just that since I can’t quantify it and since, well, okay, let me, let me rephrase it. It’s not uncommon for, I think, a team to get the mental edge, but for example, I don’t think that the Warriors crumbled last year in the finals.

I think that. You know, LeBron went Supernova and Draymond Green was suspended and, and all this stuff. But the particular mental ledge I wanted to talk about, and what I’m looking forward to talking to Jordan about in the second half of the show is, I’m not sure if you read some of the quotes from the media about what Encour and off court Rajan Rondo has been expressing.

So off court, of course, Avery Bradley heard him saying that they gave up and then Enco. Brad Stevens said that the way that he was calling out defensive plays like a linebacker was quote unquote clairvoyant  and I, I can’t believe it. It’s Rondo all. Uh, man. Why does Rondo just disappear and then come back?

It, it’s the weirdest thing. , well, I guess he’s there when it really counts. I mean, would you rather have, I mean, every, there’s, there’s always a, a lament of, oh, he plays so well on the regular season, but he wilts in the playoffs now. Actually, one, one individual who I’m, I mean, I, once again, I don’t wanna turn the show in, you know, a Raja Rondo, unlv, that mystery.

But I mean, if you’re gonna have one extreme or the other, would you have, have. The regular season stats guy, or the guy who plays a little bit better on quote unquote national TV and playoff games. But anyways, uh, yeah, Avery Bradley does have a little bit of a tendency to say too much. I’m not sure that was the best thing to say, no matter how accurate it was.

Of course, too, uh, that’s the type of material that is on the c l s radio YouTube channel since we have all the, uh, you know, Interviews after, before and the, after the games with the coaches and the players in high definition. But, uh, Avery, Avery does have a little bit of a tendency to say too much. Of course, we here in the media and we, we love that and we’re able to provide that, especially for audience.

But, uh, as a fan or as anyone with an emotional or vested interest in the team, uh, or players themselves, it’s, it’s, uh, it’s, oh, I, I don’t think I have to go any further than I just did. Yeah. So it, I, I guess it’s just a question to me of.  if he can keep that up. And one thing that I’m interested to see is can the bowls, so it seems to me like if you’re dealing with a blend of mental, psychological, I guess weakness or whatever you want to call it, or uh, edge I guess, for the bowls, and you think that it’s sort of a blend of just hitting shots.

I wanna see if the Celtics on their end can just start hitting shots. And then the bulls, once they start reeling can they take a punch. And during the regular season, they really weren’t able to. And you know, uh, I I, I understand certainly from your perspective, having watched the bulls get swept like last year in, uh, the playoffs against the Hawks.

But I mean, the bulls to me seem even more. Like they have potential. Don’t think the Bulls made the playoffs last year or by the, well, by the Hawks. The Celtics got swept by the Hawks last year, right? Is that that you Uh, they lost, they lost in six actually. Oh, okay. Well still, um, yeah, still I, and you know, that’s another aspect of things.

It, it, Isaiah Thomas, you know, um, I, I certainly don’t wanna argue for it on his part being mental, but what I would say is that some of the ways that Rondo is defending Isaiah Thomas has, has really. Ha has really actually been really smart. Like Rhonda’s been a really smart defensive player and I, I think part of it is, you know, when Rondo went to the Ma Mavericks, I remember Rick Carlisle quizzing Rondo about the playbook and him getting a hundred on this quiz and all this stuff happened.

And of course that was pre everything going, nuclear. But I think that Rondo has a propensity when he wants to, to sit down and memorize front to. A playbook and know all the schemes and like know everything and watch the film to go into a series and just sort of be clairvoyant, like what Brad Steven said.

And I think that basically during the regular season, he doesn’t put in that effort. And then in the playoffs he does. And that’s, that’s the playoff Rondo phenomena. . Well, uh, we’ve seen it was here in Boston for, there was a, you know, the, the six year stretch that he was here, of course, that final year he did have, or excuse me, the, the, the second last year he did have that a c l injury.

But that was the case. I remember a year, it was 2012. Uh, and he would just absolutely have games where he wouldn’t even, he’d have a goose egg. He’d have zero points, he’d be oh of 11. 10 assists and you just say, you know what, he, he would have, yeah, he would no show in Sacramento and then on national TV against the Knicks.

There was some crazy game, actually. There was a game I remember on a Sunday afternoon against Chicago, uh, an a b ABC game. He had something ludicrous stat line, like 35, 20 and I mean literally 20 rebounds and, uh, 14 assists, something like that. Had some great games in the playoffs, although alb, I will say one thing about Rondo, he, uh, was never the most clutch player, I guess so to speak.

He was very ineffective at the end of games. All the, the advanced analytics did show it in terms of how he played the last five minutes, how he shot. He has to have a terrible tendency of missing uncontested layups. At, at the end of games. But there’s no question that he has a different gear in the playoffs.

It’s just, there’s so much of a body of evidence now over the, how many years He’s been in the league now, 11 years, 10 years, and he’s in all the playoffs that he’s been incredible body of evidence to show that. Yeah. And you know that, that’s actually maybe an interesting place to start to go before we wrap up.

When you think about, you know, those, those clutch possessions where a guy like Rondo struggles to finish at the basket. He is up against a point guard though, who I.  also has maybe for slightly different reasons, the same problem at the end of games. Not this season though, right? Where his, his, oh God no.

His defensive player in the NBA in the fourth quarter. Right. And, and that tapered off a little bit, you know, by the end of the season. But I, I think that this, I, I, I think that he’s gotten a lot better offensively and I think that that’s undeni. But now that the defensive intensity is ramped up, that’s sort of neutralized.

And I think he might be sort of back at square one and not square one, but like square five instead of square. I also, Chris, I gotta jump in. I wouldn’t jump on him entirely. He actually still played pretty well in game one. He wasn’t amazing in game two. But you still, I, I hate to, you don’t want to use as a crutch of an excuse, but you know where I would get there.

I mean, he is playing a little bit under, um,  bizarre circumstances. Yeah. And, and that actually gives the whole series to me a weird power because, you know, just the, the whole discussion about. The bowls having a mental edge on the Celtics. That, that to me seems like a really sensitive thing to be touching on.

You know, it does feel weird to be saying that because if you’re imposing this like mental God, it, it’s sort of what is completely relevant though. And no one can say, oh, well once you get there and they’re on the basketball court, that’s sort of your sanctuary, blah, blah, blah, blah. I’m that doing. Play playing professional sports or doing anything where you need to put in, incredible all, all the amount of focus that you have requires as such, and you, it’s impossible for something like that to not drift into your mind.

And if it drifts in your mind, that can take you a little bit. I mean, just. You lose the focus on the concentration. I know what it does for me in, in anything that I do where I put almost all the so sorts of concentration in if I ever, and I don’t even want to get into having to deal with the type of adversity that he did, especially with how bad I am dealing with that adversity.

But I don’t wanna talk about that individually. But there you can’t, once again, this is something we hate doing, I guess in the median hour when there’s this big backlash of really not discussing something where unless you can’t quantify it and put into numbers and have everybody, oh, retweet this awesome stat that you put.

Say, oh, well that’s the reason why, et cetera, et cetera. But because you can’t quantify the impact of something like that happening on Isaiah Thomas, even, you know, that if something like that is clearly there and clearly having such an impact, I guess there’s a little bit of refrain from doing so, but that it’s clearly something that has to be acknowledged in one way or another.

In terms of if you, you know, anyone who is looking at this series, which I guess we all are, if we’re listening and talking on this, . Yeah. Well, I, I think literally everyone in the world is probably listening to this. I’m pretty sure that that’s how Dash works. But the millions and millions, uh, to me it, it seems interesting.

And, um, this will be, uh, the, your reaction to this, I guess, will, is how will lead out, it seems like the parallel series to me. Is the Thunder Rocket series over in the Western Conference because it, I I, there’s clearly like a mental thing going on, right. And it’s, it’s so interesting looking at that or watching that Rockets thunder game there at the end, or the, the most recent one yesterday.

It, it’s, there’s, there’s sort of something about that interview that Russell Westbrook had after the game. When someone was like, what? How do you feel about getting that 50 point, the first 50 point triple double in playoff history? And he’s like, nothing. It’s all about the. That, that seems like it’s sort of posturing.

So there is, there is sort of this mental comparison, but also it sort of shows the weaknesses of a team where you have this like drive and kick centric guard who gets into the paint and creates disturbances and then you get to the playoffs and you realize that the transition defense is gonna ramp up.

And then on top of that you have to rely on guys like Andre Roberson. Man, I’m just, I’m sort of worried about Jay Crowder. I, I are the three point shooters on the Celtics. Just, I mean, I don’t know. It’s, it’s, it’s strange, you know, when they’re not hitting their shots, that team ju the Celtics just aren’t gonna be good.

Tune in to find out if they will hit their shots. Yeah, and you can tune in every 7:00 AM Eastern on Tuesday to the Celtics hour. Hosted, collaborated mishmash together by Larry H. Russell, only on Almighty Baller Radio. You’ve already found it, but just in case you don’t have it on your phone yet. Make sure you go download it.

Make sure that you get the app on your phone. Make sure that you go to-radio.com. But also don’t forget to go to almighty baller.com and hey cns radio.com, right? That is such. So Chris, we would certainly love to have plenty of interviews and footage, uh, as audio in the Celtics hour throughout the NBA playoffs.

There is still a lot of coverage that we do here at C L N S, so we will still have plenty of interviews with the coaches and the players and whatnot leading up to the off season. But the seller shore would make it a lot easier for us if they were playing playoff games to the point where at least we as expected them to at least make it to May.

But that is certainly up in the air right now. But we will be there every Tuesday regardless for dash radio listeners. Yeah, and, uh, make sure you continue to listen to. The number one downloaded Celtics podcast on planet Earth, Celtics beat Larry, thanks for being my first guest on live radio ever. Happy to be a part of your maiden voyage, Chris, here on dash.

All right, well, hey, thanks a lot. I’ll, uh, I’ll talk to you later. And now I’m gonna be bringing in another guest this time straight from the Almighty Baller Radio Network, not a, a transplant from another awesome network. Great digital media providers, C L N S. Always been great to work with them, but always also been great to work with.

Jordan Malley. Jordan Malley, host of the Debatable, he’s gonna be coming on here in a second to talk about the biggest turnaround team I think in NBA history. If you’ve listened to his show, you well, I mean, first if, if you haven’t listened to his show, you know, tune into dash schedule coming soon.

Download it. Of course, iTunes stores, Stitcher, everywhere else where fine podcasts are found. But if you have had the pleasure of listening to the debatable, you might not get the most optimistic take on the Chicago Bulls . But, uh, I’m gonna go ahead and bring him on, see if he still feels that way. And, uh, Jordan, what’s it like, what’s it like for you right now to be a Chicago Bulls fan, especially a pessimistic one, Chris Bulls two and oh.

I gotta say one thing and one thing only. Take that for data because the. Going two and oh in this series. Nobody projected it. I didn’t project it. Certainly if you watched this team the entire season, there’s no way you could have possibly predicted something like this to happen. And I, I’m, I’m as baffled as many Bulls fans are out there, and we talked a lot about that on our new, our, our newest episode today.

Um, where it was like, this is all of a sudden Jell.  after 82 games of a regular season that seem to be like a, that could be transitioned into a 30 for 30. And I mean, they’re continuing that storybook right now with this two oh lead. Wow. I listened to your episode right after game one. And , most of the episode was ripping on the bowls.

But now game two I, I, I mean, oh, okay. Well, so you’re, you’re bought in and I don’t blame you. I, I think that, you know, me and Larry, or Larry and I just discussed a lot of the reasons why the bowls do have a lot of, a lot of the edge on the Celtics. It, it at least seems. That that is the case. Well, okay. What do you want to think?

What do you, how do you feel about the fact that, I think the number one biggest factor in this series has been Raan Rondo, just dominating. You know what? It’s awesome In, I will say this beginning of the season when Rhonda was brought in, if you listen to any shows that I was on there, or even some of the pieces that I, I wrote, it was, it was Rondo’s gonna be a circus.

He’s a ticking time bomb. This is gonna explode the bowls. This, this makes absolutely no sense to bring him in. The more and more is the, the season progressed and the more I realized a lot more about Rajan Rondo and kind of the guy he is off the court and kind of what he does for a locker room. From an outside perspective, and I can even attest to this when he was in Sacramento or even Boston, Dallas, wherever you want to talk about, um, he had issues.

With this young Core Bulls teams, and especially when Butler and Wade made it about them too versus everyone else on the team. I think that’s when Rhonda was like, Hey guys, I still, I I’ve got a championship ring. You know, I, I was once the assist leader in the N B A, I mean, I was a dominant point guard for a lot and you guys are leaving me out and then kind of just tossing me with the young guys.

And I think that’s where he, he grasped a lot of, uh, maturity I guess this season. And it, it’s hard to talk about maturity. With Rondo at times, but I think it’s amazing and I think there’s nothing better than what he wants to do as far as going into Boston and beating the crap out of him and showing them, you know what, we’ve got three, we’ve got three stars here on this team that can make a lot, a lot more noise than some of these other teams in the the playoffs.

And it took them 82 games to do that. . All right. Well, that’s where we’re gonna start. You said three stars. I think we all know that they’re not just three stars, they’re three alphas. Um, . It’s good that we started with Rondo. I think that Rondo, I mean, I, I think that Rondo, uh, no, that’s a little hot of a take.

Um, yeah, Jimmy Butler’s been more important, but they, I mean, I, I feel like each of the three pieces of.  Alpha Squad, alpha team Right Has has put in their own performance. I do feel like though Rondo’s, to me seems like the least sustainable. Mostly because a lot of point guards look like superstars when Isaiah Thomas is defending them.

Uh, that’s true and I’m not a stats guy, but I will say this about Jimmy Butler. I’m gonna pose the question to you. Do you know the pl the last player on the bowls to have as high of a win share as Jimmy Butler does this season? Last player on the bowls to do it, to have a higher rating than he does?

Tony Cuco. No. . . Not, not Steve. Exactly. But I was su I was surprised. Derek Rose actually had a lower wind share during his m p season when the Bulls went to the Eastern conference finals. That wasn’t fake mvp. Jimmy? Yeah. Then what’d you say? No, nothing. I, I You were, you’re hearing things. Are you, are you a Dwight Howard?

Stan? Somebody who, uh, thinks Dwight Howard should have won the MVP that year? I think I’m for Shaq actually. . Uh, but. Michael Jordan was the last guy to do it in 97, 98. Jimmy Butler, 13.8 win shares. And to me, I like to take some of these stats that basketball doesn’t seem to use a whole lot, uh, kind of baseball wise, where baseball uses like war and wins ball replacement.

So to me, Jimmy Butler, he’s the third best in Wind shares this year behind James Harden and Rudy Gobert. So another thing I have to pose to Celtics fans is, is you can’t sit there and tell me that Jimmy Butler would make an instant impact on that team. I mean, you’ve got pairing him with Isaiah Thomas and why the Boston Celtics didn’t.

Didn’t try harder to go out and pair another superstar on that team. And we’ve seen it time and time again every single year that you can’t just have one guy that’s a superstar in, in, in Isaiah Thomas being a bonafide superstar with just one season. I mean, you, you’ve gotta pair him with other pieces.

And I just, I don’t understand what the, with the. What the front office was doing by sitting back at the deadline. And then now they’re looking at this team and going, we’re a one seed and we’re getting our heads beaten by the Chicago Bulls who hung on and got a playoff spot in the 82nd game. Yeah. You know, I think that that’s probably, I think that both sides of the whole Danny Ang thing probably don’t give enough credence to the other, uh, I look at the Bulls team or the, the Celtics team rather.

And I, I think to. Uh, I’m not sure that just adding, I mean, they’d be better with Jimmy Butler, but I mean, the, the big issue to me strikes me that they don’t, I mean, they’re, they’re playing Tylers Zeller out there because they just don’t have an answer on the boards. Now, I think if, if somehow this off season and I have this insane dream scenario where the Celtics get Gordon Hay, From the jazz and the jazz decide to blow it up and that they want the number one pick from the Celtics.

So begrudgingly they move Rudy Gobert as well to the Celtics for the number one pick.  and Jake Router . And then they trade for Paul George  . This sounds like a dream that I hit about the bulls wear. I said The bulls losing four straight. They fire guard packs. , they trade Jimmy Butler to the Celtics. They get the number one pick.

They hope that the, the Sacramento lands between 11 and 14. They draft a, a, a superstar out a a college, somebody they can develop. They get another pick with their own pick, and then they, uh, they, they just keep piling on here. And it was, I, it’s a dream shot. It was a pipeline dream. And now obviously with these two wins, the bulls got against the Celtics.

There’s no possible weight guard packs is it, is. I can’t wait. It’s heading outta town. So that’s kind of where. I wanna, I wanna say, and I wanna defend myself first for being a pessimistic Bulls fan, because, yeah, Chicago fans have a, um, have this reputation of being fans that rag on their team more than they do on the opponent and are overly critical, but,

I think the bar was set high when they brought six championships in, and people will talk about this all the time, and the bulls haven’t been to that point since. And it’s kind of waiting around and seeing like, what, what’s the next move here? And for me, I just wanted the team to pick a direction, like I, if you’re gonna tank, then full on tank, get rid of everybody and let’s start fresh.

If you’re not gonna do that, then don’t tell me you’re not gonna build around Jim, or you’re not gonna build. A part with Jimmy Butler, you’re gonna build with him. Like, what does that even mean? Build with Jimmy Butler. Like you’re, you’re saying you’ve got a superstar on your team, but yet he’s not a superstar in where you can bri you can go to a national or go to an N B A finals.

And so to me it just, it, I don’t even think Gar Pax knows really what they’re doing. I mean, and that, that’s clearly evident with the Cameron pain trade man. Here you are talking negatively about a team that is two wins over the number one seed in the Eastern Conference. Man, you’re incorrigible. I, I, I mean, like, this is, this is my radio network and you’re here.

You’re probably turning off all the Bulls fans from listening to the debatable on almighty baller.com and Almighty Baller Radio. All right, third Alpha. So what’s up with Dwayne Wade hitting playoff threes. . I have no idea. It’s, it’s blowing my mind because 19 for 26 in the last two years from three point range, like, that’s, that’s, that’s unheard of for Dwayne Wade.

And I’m interested with Dwayne Wade too, because the first two games of the series, I don’t. I don’t know what’s going on with him, whether he’s still hurt or even if he did really have an injury or like, I mean there’s, there’s conspiracy theories going around with the bulls where he didn’t really have this, this major injury that they’re talking about, where he was supposed to be out for the rest of the season, that it was more of Dwayne Wade needs rest cause he’s old and we’re just gonna say he had an injury and he is gonna come back in the, the last couple games of the season.

I don’t know. You take that, take that with a grain of salt whether you want to or not. But I look at Wade when he’s on the floor, and I said this after game one. I thought it was, I thought it was weird that when him and Rhonda were on the floor at the, at the same time, they weren’t gelling in that first game.

And then the second game, they come out and they’re playing a lot better together. So if Wade can. I don’t know. I, I don’t know how much is left in him and offensively. Yeah. He’ll help but defense, he, he’s kind of a killer and so if Robin Lopez can keep going down there and putting the Celtics in body bags as far as going on the glass, I mean, they’re gonna have no problem.

I mean, the guy this, well, they’re not gonna have problems against the Celtics , and, and even if they match up against the Wizards, I think the rebounding. In favor of the Bulls. Uh, if they go and end up advancing in this round and going and playing the wizards, I think they got another favor. Favorable match up there.

Well, I mean, first I, I, I think that it’s gonna end up well. The bulls are, are taking an awful gamble. Um, and I mean, awful. Like a, a, a serious gamble. That, you know, maybe is the right choice for a team that isn’t as good as their opponent in, in like a classical sense. So what, what they seem to be doing when Isaiah Thomas drives is they all collapse in the paint and force him to kick out.

Now that’s a great move. If you’re the Houston Rockets and you’re defending the thunder, the Celtics are the, i, I was just saying this to Larry, the Celtics are the third best corner shooting team in the league and. They’re, they’re making a real gamble that, you know, Jake Router, who’s been shooting 40%, that Avery Bradley, that Isaiah Thomas, even Opal like that, that’s been working out.

But if you look at the numbers, the Celtics have missed 14 wide open three s and that I, I, even if it happens for the rest of the series with the Celtics, which I’m not sure it will, but the odds are in your favor now. It’s not gonna happen against Bradley Beal and Auto.  . Yeah, I don’t think so. With John Wall and John Wa Yeah.

You’re gonna have to defend John Wall and putting the pressure on Jimmy Butler to guard a guy like that, it’s, it’s going to be tough. And it’s a completely different matchup from what the Celtics team too is and. Oh, we, whatever you want to do with this, this, um, as far as chemistry going on with the Celtics too, and I had, I heard a lot of really awful takes from guys on national, national radio shows in media and know it wasn’t Colin Coward, fortunately for you,

I, he  he, so there was, I don’t know who was talking, I think it was Tim Leger the other night talking Isaiah Thomas and how the situation. Is kind of it, it almost, the way it was coming off to me was that he was saying this is a burden to the team and the burden of the Celtics being a number one seed and that him not being focused completely and you can’t blame him for not, is the reason why the Celtics are gonna lose.

And he’s like, well, game three, you know, they’re a couple more days away from, from the tragedy that happened. I would hope that they would get over it at this point. Dude, his sister just died like less than a week ago. And you, you’re just telling him to get over it because to play basketball, like, dude, come on.

So some of these takes have been awful. I can see where they’re coming from as far as chemistry with the team, but like a lot of missteps with this whole, with this whole blaming the, the chemistry of the Celtics when really it’s been the encore play and a lot of guys not stepping up for him. Yeah. Um, it’s sort of, it’s sort of a weird narrative because.

I think that, you know, there, there is a part of the media that’s looking at it like that, and I was just talking about, uh, arguing the mental edge versus the psychological edge. You know, I. I don’t, I don’t really know. As, as far as Isaiah Thomas, I, I think forcing him to make a lot of hard decisions. I th you know, I think Rondo is defending him in really interesting ways, especially coming off of screens.

He’s sort of attaching himself to his hip, but like sagging way off as I, if it looks like Isaiah Thomas is gonna drive, and if I, if Isaiah Thomas is going to take over, it’s not gonna be by getting to the basket. Or by drawing fouls or by getting layups, it’s gonna be by taking pull-up mid-range dump shots.

And I think that maybe that’s where the psychological stuff comes in, but it’s just, you know that, I mean, I don’t know, maybe it’s because I’m from Dallas and I’m antagonistic towards Rondo, but it almost seems like maybe he’s taking advantage of that, of like Isaiah’s. I honestly wouldn’t be. Yeah. You know, I, I, I just, you know, if, if the Celtics after this series and like this would, this would never happen.

But if, if, if I was, you know, a sports psychologist or something and I were to determine somehow provably that the reason why they lost this game or lost the series rather, is because Isaiah Thomas’s sister died. I’d just be like, dude, I’m really sorry. Like that sucks. And, and I don’t know, I, I just sort of, I sort of hope Boston fans and, and this would’ve been an interesting thing to bring up with them.

I hope all the Boston fans who do feel that way, although there’s no real way to prove one or the other, I would hope that, you know, they would continue to be supportive. But you know how Boston fans can be. I think that they’ve been good so far, but yeah. You know, whatever. I, I mean, you’re over. , you know, talking smack about this great front office, Gar, pat

You’re not, you’re not looking forward to that. Uh, are you, are you spending the ho are, are you, are you, uh, are you celebrating the holiday the way Fred Hoiberg seemed like he was today with the, his quote that he said Rajan Rondo has been a rock for this team all year. Like a, I think Fred, I, I think Fred’s been celebrating the holiday a little early today.

Well, I mean, you were saying with the young guys, I, I, you know, I think maybe in a way he has been. He’s, he’s been really interesting this year. I, the, the relationship. Well, first I, I wanna say like, this is not something that he’s ever done before in his career, taking on the veteran role. You know what it does make me think though, he’s talked a lot about wanting to be a coach.

Now I’m starting to be convinced that maybe that would work.  and people have said all throughout the media that like guys that know him closely have talked about like his, his constantly being in the film room and like, players just repeat this. And it’s the same thing that I hear that constantly from Raja about.

But he’s crazy though. That’s the thing. Like it is, it’s not his brain. He’s a super genius, but like he’s a nut a madman. I mean, does how, how does that translate to coaching though? I mean that in a way, like there’s been some crazy coaches out there before that have had success and I feel like guys would, would.

Buy into what Rondo, what what Rondo would do as a coach, and this is all like really hypothetical, but what he’s done with those young guys and the way he’s gotten them to kind get more out of them and like take them under his wing. I think it’s shown a lot more than maybe at times what Wade and Butler have done this year as far as what they were brought.

Like what Wade especially was brought in to do is he was supposed to lead this team. And to be honest with you, for a lot of this, I didn’t see a whole lot of leadership from Wade and, and you know what I, for that fact, I didn’t see a whole lot of leadership from anybody on this team, and that was the constant question throughout this season.

And finally, it’s. Wade Butler and Rondo, the guys that you wanted to lead this team and be examples for these young guys that they’re trying to develop. They’re finally doing that here in playoff games when it really matters. So it, it’s, it’s honestly mind blowing that the bulls are playing this well and they finally found it to click.

And Fred Hoberg, I gotta give him credit too. No, you don’t need some content. No, you don’t have to. Yes, I have to. Just these two games. Just these two games that he’s made adjustments in. Kind. No. NoMo, no. Why not? No. Okay. , the only adjustments that they’re making are that they’re getting lucky that the Celtics are missing shots.

And you know, like I I’m saying they’re collapsing into the paint on Isaiah Thomas drives. So there’s four, three guys in the paint to rebound ball. I, I mean, that’s why they’re getting these rebounds is because they, I mean, first because there’s a miss from the corner three. And because they’re closing in like that, that’s, that’s a dangerous gamble.

And it’s something that. I, I think nine times out of 10, and, you know, the analytics prove it, you know, even if, uh, coach Fizdale doesn’t think that they do, but the analytics prove that, like that’s a dangerous wager to make. Um, offensively or defensively honest. Uh, honestly shooting a ton of threes. But, um, and then secondarily, I mean, he’s not conducting the defense.

And I think that the discussion around coaching in the NBA for good reason is always how does the defense look? Because on the offensive end, it’s mostly about superstar talent. On the defensive end, coaching comes into play a whole lot more. And defensively it’s all Rondo. So, Like what gives, and, and, and next up, right.

He didn’t coach Robin Lopez into being three feet taller and having, I, I mean, he didn’t coach Amir Johnson into not being able to jump and rebound . You know, like, I, I just, I don’t see Hode Berg’s impact on. This series whatsoever. I think all of the reasons why you would make the argument why the bulls are winning are because of other people who aren’t ho hoberg and all of the reasons that the Celtics are losing have nothing to do with Hoberg as well.

Of course. And I think that we have 82 games worth of data to suggest that perhaps Hoberg is a bottom five n b a coach. And I am completely unconvinced of the opposite because I just, I don’t see his hand on the, on these wins. I just, I was trying to be a little bit of a optimistic bull fan . I, I gu I guess you’re right.

I guess in a sense I can hear of course, everything. Did you hear that argument? , . I can agree with everything you just said and to me that’s how I felt all season. But I think, I think a lot of this, like, it, it stems back to what we originally were talking about with, with this, the chemistry of this team and finding leadership on this team.

Yes, yes. As far as on the court and, and when. Fred doesn’t have to constantly be micromanaging the, the locker room and the atmosphere that’s going on with this team every single day. I think it makes it easier, hi, for him to do the basic things that N B A coaches are supposed to do when they’re supposed to be successful.

And you know what, I found something interesting too, and I don’t know if a lot of coaches in the N B A do this, but I noticed something that I think he translated from college in. Uh, it was interesting, especially in game two. So the Celtics went on a couple little short runs when the bulls were up 10 15.

At one point, and I remember specifically the Celtics had made three straight baskets. Like real quick. Within 1520 seconds, Fred Hoer kept calling timeouts during these short little stretches. , maybe coaches do do that in the N B A, but I feel like, oh, more times than not N B A players are gonna figure it out on these, some of these stretches and you see them call timeouts when it gets to like a 14 to two run a, a 16 to four run in college, it’s, it’s kind of the same way where he kind of brings.

Players back in regroups them. That’s kind of just, I guess, a basic coaching, um, aspect that you’re supposed to have. So I, I mean, I didn’t see that a lot from him, the, the regular season, but I thought it was an interesting note to make. But, um, I wanna talk more specifically about this, this front office, because I’ve got a lot of say, say about them too.

Dude, why can’t, I think you were gonna touch on something about that. Why can’t you just revel in this team being good right now? Like, why you I’m all in. I bought in, I’m already, I already said it after game two. I’m bought in. Whatever they wanna do, I’m in and I’m done. I’m done screaming and yelling about the front office.

Oh, you wanna say nice things, uh, . Unless, unless it, it comes with, um, with somehow getting a, a glimpse of the future in a player that is established. Okay, well let’s go ahead and we’ll fast forward to after the Wizards sweep the bowls with like a 20 point differential because that matchup is a smoke show for the bowls.

I’m sorry, . I know they played awful against the wizards this whole entire season. Oh boy. It’s gonna be real bad. All that optimism and team chemistry that Rondo is talking about is gonna evaporate real fast. But yeah. Okay, so let, let, let’s, let’s go ahead. I’m all about doom and gloom. You know, it’s four 20.

We got a little high there, . Now we can get a little bit low. So, um, alright, so gar packs. Well, so what’s the move? Uh, I, I haven’t looked at the draft board to see who the oldest prospect is. So, Um, I don’t know who they’re gonna, what, what, well, now that, well now that Grayson Allen has decided to go back to Duke for his senior year, then I think, I think that kind of blew up, uh, Gar pack’s entire thinking.

Like, oh, let’s go get this established guy, you know, played it Duke, all three out of the four years. But now he is going back. So Rondo and Grayson, man, that what a what a back court, . Seriously. A a hell of a lot of tripping and a lot of guys getting irritated with his play in some unproductive shooting and not athletic players on the floor like we were pitched in the summer of 2016.

Younger, more athletic. But I think at the end of this, the season, they’re post-game. Pressor their, or their post-season pressor that they do, and this is their annual press conference that they hold. They don’t do any other interviews throughout the year or they’ll doing ’em on like Easter Sunday in at like 8:00 AM which they like to do a lot.

They like to do these like weird, like timed interviews. And a lot of people don’t know this, but they don’t, they don’t set up regular interviews like some GMs and some, um, people that are running the front office do regularly. Media in the city, and maybe it’s because they’ve been so critical to these guys, but that’s a whole different story.

But I think what you’re gonna hear out of these guys’ mouth, especially if they, if the Bulls do win this series, um, is this was a successful season. , we got back into the playoffs. We were 500. We developed a couple young guys. We still have Jimmy, we’ve got Wade if he wants to come back, we’ve got Rondo if we wanna keep him around for next year.

And r Rajan Rondo has already said that he wants to come back. Um, so he, they’re gonna say, well, we’ve got this corn tact. We make a couple small moves here and there. To kind of, I guess, supplement what they have already. And it’s not a whole lot on that bench. Um, they think that probably there’ll be a 45 to 48 win team next year.

And that’s, it’s crazy to think that, but that’s gonna be going through their heads and being spewed out of their mouths to the media, uh, after the season’s over. Well, I mean, you know, I, I, I, I think a semi competent front office. Uh, they’re right. Presuming that they make good moves in the off season. I mean, we’re not talking about a semi competent front office here though.

Yeah. Yeah. You  you remember that episode we had when, um, I, I think I played like Beethoven’s 15th or whatever during the end of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That, that didn’t end up happening. They kicked the can down the road a little bit. Um, . Well, so Jordan, I didn’t really introduce you Well, I mean I did, but I didn’t let you introduce yourself, I guess, to, uh, the, the listeners out there.

Do you know this is my first show, live on Dash.  It is and this is, this is wonderful. The, there’s been so much I’ve been pressing it in. This dash dash radio is amazing and all the stations on dash radio are fantastic. And to be the first sports station on dash I think is, is exciting and it’s awesome.

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But the debatable, I’m Jordan Meley. I host the debatable, my co-host Matt Peck. Um, it’s kind of been interesting, this, this podcast has been sort of like what the Bulls have been doing. He kind of plugging and playing co-host. But finally Matt Peck came on. He’s been the co-host for a few weeks now and he does great work.

He writes for the Bulls at Sports Mockery. Um, me and him have a lot of the same opinions, so if you, if you like, uh, if you.  yelling at the front office. Do you like hearing what the bulls didn’t do rather than what they did do? Uh, at least for right now, um, that’s your show to go to. The debatable on Almighty Baller.

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This is, uh, well first, Jordan, let me, let me say goodbye to you really quick. Thanks for coming on and talking about bulls. Um, thanks for letting me yell about the bulls for a little while. Hopefully we get past this first round and then we can hopefully keep talking about ho which would be probably a, uh, a wizards domination in the second round.

But we’ll see. I’m, I’m excited for Friday. Yep. Um, alright, well make sure you tune into the debatable everyone, and Jordan, I’ll talk to you later. All right. Thanks for having me on. All right. And everyone out there, it’s just me now. Just me and you, the listener. Maybe you’re in a car and it’s you and your buddies.

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